2005-05-18 [Malnu]: I actually like a gal with a little meat on her bones...I'm not much for the ribs poking out slender type.

2005-05-18 [Daisy le Fleur]: It's scary what women will do to themselves for the sake of being thin...

2005-05-18 [Catlover]: It really isn't that great being thin - I'm naturally the ribs poking out slender type, and I wish I could put some weight on. People always tell me how lucky I am, to be so skinny. My figure's very fashionable, but I'm actually quite seriously underweight. Skin and bones isn't good!

2005-05-18 [Daisy le Fleur]: I had a friend once that was a size 2, it was not attractive when she had on her swimsuit b/c the bottoms would just hang off her hips. But she swore that she didn't starve herself. I know that some people just dont put weight on very well due to natural metabolism and things of that nature. What is bad is the people who look that way on purpose. They call themselves "Pro-Anorexics" or professional ana's

2005-06-01 [Alexa22]: I think that you should be happy with who you are to begin with...you really need to eat

2005-06-01 [Daisy le Fleur]: I am happy with who I am, and I do eat! *If you were referring to me* Or, if you were just commenting on people in general, I agree..but unfortunately there are many girls who are misled and think that beauty is being deathly skinny.

2005-06-04 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: hmm . ima join . cuz ive had issues myself with eating disorders . also my friend made a wiki about them to . eating disorders

2005-06-04 [Daisy le Fleur]: Great! I'll link it here in ours.

2005-06-04 [IzzyKSK]: Mostley, people who have an ED are not so much about being skinny, but more about having the controle over something in their lives... The skinny part comes later, or not at all..

2005-06-04 [Daisy le Fleur]: True...With young girls it starts out as a skinny issue though...then it becomes the control issue...you see that alot with Bolemia.

2005-06-04 [IzzyKSK]: most of the time, it's to see if the are "strong" enough... and if they can handle it

2005-06-04 [Daisy le Fleur]: I tell you in high school, I remember looking at other girls and being worried that I wasn't thin enough in my thighs or my legs...or butt...or that the reason a guy preferred one girl over me was b/c of my weight..And I look back at pictures of myself and think "What was I thinking? I was cute!!" It was about being skinny, for me anyway.

2005-06-04 [Daisy le Fleur]: It got so bad that I would spend every night doing 120 sit ups and crunches until I felt like my stomach was thin or "cut" enough...(By the way...I did have some kickin abs when it was all said and done! I miss them lol)

2005-06-05 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: i really dont know what it was for me .. i t hink both . but when it got to the point i wanted to be skinny like all the other girls .. i realized . i lost control over myself ..and i tol dmyself that would never happen ..

2005-06-05 [Daisy le Fleur]: I at some point tried to starve myself...*That lasted for about a day* The hunger pains got to me..and I realized that I couldn't do that to myself/ my body. I was afraid of what it might physically do to me...Permanent damage..then Ithought "If I do this, they'll put me in a mental house or psychiatry place...I don't need that...just to be skinny"

2005-06-05 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: well . i went vegatarian for a while . so i had an excuse to knock out half the food i normally ate . ( i did it for the animals to , dont get me wrong ) .. but i got to the point where i was blacking out in p.e , at school .thats when i finally realized what i was doing to myself . so i got a lil better . trying to eat atleast one small meal a day .. but it always seems to be junk food ..

2005-06-05 [Daisy le Fleur]: I am not sure how well this wiki will do....I tried to be informative when I made it...put up links and facts and statistics...but this is the most convo..I've had in here since it was created. I hope it will get more attention and others will/can contribute...Any help is welcome...

2005-06-05 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: well no tmany people here have ed's or are open with them i guess

2005-06-08 [Crimson]: Either not open or in denial...and I'm not in denial, so don't even say it.

2005-06-08 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: yeah

2005-06-18 [morphyguy]: i have an eatign disorder i think... i'm quite thin, and i never have an appetite.

2005-06-18 [Daisy le Fleur]: Do you obsess over your weight? Or your appearance?

2005-06-23 [morphyguy]: no, not really... i never really took note of it until somebody mentioned that i only had ramen noodles in my cabinet.

2005-06-23 [Daisy le Fleur]: I'm not a doctor, nor am I a trained person in the area of eating disorders...but if you aren't obsessing about your weight..or deliberately trying to lose weight through self starvation or binging..you probably don't have an eating disorder. Food may just not be a priority for you..Theres a saying "I eat to live, not live to eat." I do think you should probably pay more attention to your nutrition though.

2005-06-24 [morphyguy]: yeah, smoking doesn't exactly count as food, either.

2005-06-24 [Daisy le Fleur]: I've understood that smoking curbs your apetite...You should start out with a good breakfast..you might feel better.

2005-06-25 [morphyguy]: it does... i never eat breakfast. it would probably explain a lot.

2005-07-11 [IzzyKSK]: Um... maybe you should take the list of pro-non eating down... I mean it's good that you wan't to show hoe sad and disturbing soem things are, but this could alsom be a list of reasons for people who don't think it's sad and disturbing... And use it, as a list for themselfes.

2005-07-11 [Daisy le Fleur]: You may be right, I thought about that..it could be a trigger for some people...thanks..

2005-07-12 [morphyguy]: anything could be trigger for some people, though.

2005-07-12 [IzzyKSK]: True, but there could be people,, who read that and are ont the thin line between anorexic or not, and this could push them over the line...

2005-07-12 [Daisy le Fleur]: That's why I took it down..thank you...

2005-07-12 [IzzyKSK]: No problem...

2005-07-16 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: my cousin is in the hospital for anorexia .. im starting to think it like runs in the fmaily or something . cuz ihad issues of it to .

2005-07-16 [Daisy le Fleur]: I'm sorry about your cousin..it must be bad if she's hospitalized. Have you seeked out counseling for it?

2005-07-16 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: yeah shes there for 6 weeks . not on iv or feeding tube so thats good . and no i havent .. im over it .. for the most part ..

2005-08-01 [Daisy le Fleur]: How's your cousin doing Pretty?

2005-08-01 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: im not sure i hacent heard from my grandma lately . Ill be sure to ask soon .

2005-08-01 [Daisy le Fleur]: Good....did you read about Rose? Go to the Members page here..read that..its sad.

2005-08-01 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: oh no i havent . ill be sure and go to it now .. I also found out one of my friends from here past away earlier this year due to anorexia .

2005-08-01 [Daisy le Fleur]: Gosh...its astounding how many people suffer...and for what? I used to think it was about what otheres thought of them....but I think its more of a control issue. The bad part is that, most parents arent even aware anything is wrong until it becomes dangerous.

2005-08-01 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: Yeah . For me it started out that way .. like of what people thought of me . but then i stopped caring about that . But i had lost so many thing in my life at the time ( friends , family, realtionships .. ect ) . that it became a control thing ..eating was the only thing i thought i could control .. But later on i found out . all the time i thought i had more control .. i was really losing it .. . and yeah . most parents dont pay that kind of attention .It took my ex boyfriend saying something to my mom before she noticed i wasnt really eating .. Id make up excuses and lie to her all the time about it .. it made me feel so low and dirty by doing that .. but i felt even worse by eating. 

2005-08-01 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: lately . ive been on anf off with it .. Bu tmy moms been kinda on my back lately .

2005-08-01 [Daisy le Fleur]: I know the feeling, somewhat. I had issues before, but not to the degree to qualify as a disorder..but I was borderline. I'd look inthe mirror and get disgusted because my thighs were too fat or my butt or whatever..and then I'd swear that I was never eating again. But I couldn't follow through with it. My problem was always comparing myself to the girls I went to school with.

2005-08-01 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: yeah im really bad with that . im probably " borderline "now to  mines not as serious this year .. But i still get the habbits .. and yeah im always comparing myself to other people . like why cant i look like her . oh look how skinny she is ..I grew up having a weight issue . everyone argues now that im not fat .. But i still see that am .. and nothing is really " good enough " for me .

2005-08-01 [Daisy le Fleur]: YOu know, I'm a religious person, and whats helped me get over it...is that I realized that God made me this way. If he wanted me to look like so and so....he'd have made me their twin.. I have the qualities and characteristics that no one else has..and even if I am not crazy about my ghetto booty...God made some one for me that would be. *Blushes...my husband sure likes it* hee hee

2005-08-01 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: haha niice . and yeah . im not into the whole religious stuff . But ive been going to church withmy ex . so maybe ill pick something up .. and i know i was made the way i am for some reason . and not to brag . but alot of people seem to like me the way i am .. i just dont seem to .. But lately my boyfriends been helping me alot . showing me that im fine the way i am and all that .

2005-08-01 [morphyguy]: that's cool you have somebody to help you out with it.

2005-08-01 [Oh! Its a Riot xx]: yeah .. it really does help .

2005-08-02 [Daisy le Fleur]: Having a support system makes all the difference. I used to have a really poor self image..low self esteem...but my husband has helped me to see that I am beautiful the way God made me...booty and all. Its good that you are going to church, that will help too. Hey Morphy, hows that appetite coming along? Laying off the morning cigs for breakfast? *pokes you with a stick* I'd better see some Orange Juice in that hand!

2005-08-03 [morphyguy]: Umm..... yeah it's orange juice....

2005-08-12 [Daisy le Fleur]: Im to understand that we recently just lost a member to suicide. I hope that her family will be able to heal from this, and get past it. Check the members page.

2005-08-12 [Zab]: Hi! oh...harsh... Really wish that will be the last..(which it of course won't *sigh*) and for her family to... dunno. Heal, I guess.

2005-08-15 [Daisy le Fleur]: Hey Zab...thanks for stopping in... Does anyone have any suggestions for this wiki? That could make it better, more interesting...helpful?

2005-08-15 [Zab]: Dunno...I don't know anything about this stuff anyway...

2005-09-02 [Kileaiya]: Have any of you ever heard of someone having the physical symptoms but not the mental symptoms? Because that is my problem, but I don't think it is nescessarily considered anorexia, because it happened from things out of my control (serious car accident, resulting in severe problems digesting nutrients, and I couldn't eat a thing for 6 months, everything I ate came right back up :( I lost 100 lbs or more in less than 1 year)

2005-09-02 [Daisy le Fleur]: Yeah, there are some people who look like they have the eating disorder, but are just generally skinny naturally. Its a tough thing to know the difference though. Some people deny the eating disorder and say they are just skinny by nature, and others truly are that way. I am sorry about your troubles though Kil..It has to be tough to be out of control with ones own body like that.

2005-09-02 [Kileaiya]: I was on a 5000(which is 3000 more than an average person) calorie a day diet for 3 months and I only gained 5 lbs o.O

2005-09-12 [Daisy le Fleur]: Good grief..5000 calories? Lord what I could do with that! *Mmmm, cheesecake**

2005-09-12 [Kileaiya]: Yes, yes.

2005-09-13 [IzzyKSK]: Wow, 5000 O.o I couldn't eat that if my life was depending on it, won't you get sick eating that much food?

2005-09-13 [Kileaiya]: A lot of it is supplements and things because I couldn't eat that much either Ihave trouble getting 2000 just eating food

2005-09-13 [IzzyKSK]: Yeah, I know what you mean, My mother has tried to stuff me lately, and I just can't eat it all >_< but if you have such a problem with keeping you weight maybe the problem isn't that you need to eat more, but is because of that car-accident. I always believe everything can be curd witht the mind, and i mean anything you want, as long as you set your mind to it. Like when you tell your body to absorb everything you eat, and you reall believe in it, you will notice result after a few weeks, maybe even days, it kinda depends how you look at it... The mind can be a really powerul thing. ^^

2005-09-13 [Kileaiya]: Yeah, it can :)

2005-09-13 [IzzyKSK]: But I hope you get better than, and that the supplements work ^^

2005-09-13 [Kileaiya]: Thank you :)

2005-09-25 [Daisy le Fleur]: Good news it appears [Notherea] is alive and with us...

2005-09-30 [must be loved]: AYAYAY!

2005-10-09 [IzzyKSK]: I'm getting sick of all the pop-ups on how we can loose weight.. and how you would feel better and more perfect.. And I also get angry at programs that do plasticsurgery on people to make them more beautiful, what is with the obsession of being perfect these days >_<

2005-10-09 [Zab]: *feels fat* >< I dunno. But everybody wants to be slim and nice looking... un-slim and nicelooking doesn't seem to count...meh..*eats more choclate and thinks on how much healthier it would be to run a mile* XD

2005-10-09 [IzzyKSK]: Well, of course people want to be slim in stead of fat. it just bigs me to see really skinny girls, i wish i was that skinny, and diets just don't work

2005-10-09 [Zab]: I get nightmares of too skinny people/girls...Oo Ribs and keybones are not ment to be visible...

2005-10-09 [IzzyKSK]: Yeah that's maybe true... but for some it's still somethig to pursue in a way

2005-10-09 [Zab]: I don't get the word ''pursue''? *shrugs* Poeople will never be happy with their looks.

2005-10-09 [IzzyKSK]: No I guess not.. we all have something we would like to have better or have more pretty, or have it look like some other gurl, or models or stuff

2005-10-09 [Zab]: exactly. *wishes I was better on coloring my art* ><

2005-10-09 [IzzyKSK]: ^^ I wish I was just a bit more skinny ^^ and you art is great^^ and you don't need to get a whole lot better you know

2005-10-09 [Zab]: You don't need to be skinnier..Oo Thanks. :)

2005-10-09 [IzzyKSK]: ^^ I like your colours=D

2005-10-09 [Zab]: Thank you! ^______^ I'm not totally satisfied with the lines... :(

2005-10-09 [IzzyKSK]: Maybe if you don'tlike the lines you can smudge then a bit ^_^

2005-10-09 [Zab]: nah...tried that..:( *shrugs* :)

2005-10-09 [IzzyKSK]: Well i think it looks great anyway ^_^ better than what i can do with a computer>.<

2005-10-09 [Zab]: aw...hehe..you have anything to show?

2005-10-09 [IzzyKSK]: Nope not really.. I can't draw for shit on the computer.. only the little illustrations in my house ^^

2005-10-09 [Zab]: But they are not too bad! I like them muchly. :D

2005-10-09 [Daisy le Fleur]: Wow, I missed out on alot in here...=D

2005-10-09 [Zab]: heeh..nah...not too much..

2005-10-09 [Daisy le Fleur]: In reference to what you posted earlier, let me just say...last year before I got pregnant, I got on this fitness buff thing where I was running 3 times a week about 2 miles each run...and was taking a supplement to help me..I lost about 15 lbs.which doesn't sound like a lot. But when you are only 140 to begin and you drop down to about 120 its noticeable...I was wearing clothes 3 sizes smaller...I thought i looked good....but later my family told me I looked sick..like my eyes had sunk back into my head...I looked poorly as my husbands granny said. After I had my baby, I went through my clothes to get rid of my "skinny" clothes and I gave them to my sister..who is 12...and they fit her.

2005-10-09 [Daisy le Fleur]: I am 24...does that tell you anything? Its not healthy..

2005-10-09 [Daisy le Fleur]: I watched as she tried the clothes on and they fit her...and I was amazed that I was that small. It really put into perspective for me jsut how far I had pushed myself.

2005-10-09 [Zab]: *shrugs* I still think it's always healthy to exercise. It's when we don't eat enough it gets unhealthy. (and with more exercise we need more food, of course.. ;) At least that's my opinion. Not that it would matter to me, I'm too damn lazy to exersise anyway...XD

2005-10-09 [Daisy le Fleur]: I would rather be healthy with 5 lbs to lose than skinny and putting my health at risk. I don't know what those supplements I took have done to my heart. They may not affect me unitl I get olderl...but its not good either way. STarving yourself does the same thing..it damages your vital organs.

2005-10-09 [Daisy le Fleur]: I agree the exercise is healthy...its just too easy to go overboard and keep pushing too hard

2005-10-09 [Zab]: Pushing isn't good..or..*shrugs* I wouldn't blame the exercise, but when anyone exersice for being slim I guess it's a big risk they also cut down their food..which woyld be..ehm..not good..

2005-10-09 [Zab]: wohw! You're typing too fast for me! O_o yeah..eh..it looks like we do agree, then...

2005-10-09 [Daisy le Fleur]: hehehe...sorry I type quick when I am on a roll...lol

2005-10-09 [Daisy le Fleur]: yeah, I remember when i was running i was always hungry...more calories to burn thing...I could eat like a piglet, and not get full like I usually do.

2005-10-09 [Zab]: No worries. :) I lost..eh..don't know the weight, I check how many cm I have in my waist instead..but 10cm this summer..by only sitting in front of the computer...Oo and eating dinner and candy and stuff like usual...

2005-10-09 [Daisy le Fleur]: Imiss running actually.not so much for the weight loss part..but I just feel better after I do it....my energy goes up...my endorphins kick in..I just feel better all around....my self esteem goes up..like I accomplished something ya know?

2005-10-09 [Zab]: I feel like that with the school-food..Oo (I live at my school) no matter how much I eat, I'm always hungry...and I don't exercise in any way, except riding once a week..

2005-10-09 [Zab]: yeah, I know what you mean...I used to walk a few hours a day before, didn't help my weight at all, but I was in better shape psycically (spelled?) and I was amazed I could walk for so long-..*lol* I don't run... it's too hard on my asthma and I hate taking the meds, it makes it worse to the next time I walk..

2005-10-09 [Daisy le Fleur]: You'd be amazed how good it feels once you start..you really get pumped up

2005-10-09 [Zab]: :)

2005-10-18 [IzzyKSK]: I try to do like 300 crunches every night ^_^ it makes me sleep well, and ofcourse keeps me in shape =D

2005-11-01 [IzzyKSK]: I was kinda wondering what you all thought about the hospitals where they "make you better" and recover from anorexia.. Cause most of the time they just get you to normal weirght and you are cured. You can't work out so you muscles get really weak, they feed you way to much to gain weight, and you mind can't adjust to your new "self" and then they state the fallback is so high because teh person doesn't want to get better.. WHat do you think about those treathment, and do you know where they do it better, end get into you brain not your body? Do you have positive experinces from those kind of "rehabs"?

2005-11-02 [must be loved]: i think that the best kinda treatment is just having people who support you....wanting to get better also helps

2005-11-02 [Daisy le Fleur]: I think that getting better must first be a change in your mental state. I think that you aren't going to get better unitl you want to. People can force you to eat and tell you it looks good, but you have to believe it...you have to know it. Otherwise you'll just see it as "fat" and not "health" and go back to starving and purging. I do not now where you should go for that..in particular I mean...but I think a psychologist or a counselor or some kind of doctor can be a good step. Of course just asking for help is the biggest step you can take. Admitting that there is a problem that you can't fix or control..that's huge.

2005-11-02 [Daisy le Fleur]: Check the Get Help link on the main page..there are numbers there you can call =)

2006-03-14 [IzzyKSK]: I haven't been here so long, while i should have been I think. I'm thinking of getting help, but i'm also saying to myself there is nothing wrong. A really good friend of mine died the first of fabruar because he had an heartattack, and now I'm afraid to die like that too. It's getting so bad with my heart my body can't even warm up sometimes, and I start shivering so much. Does anybody know how to get over your own idears about not being sick, and getting help?

2006-09-13 [sequeena_rae]: *random comment* We must fight this epidemic ladies. And men :P Anorexia and Bulimia is growing in numbers for men, though it is still a small amount compared to how many women have Anorexia and Bulimia.

2006-09-13 [Daisy le Fleur]: That is true! Pardon my oversight =(

2006-09-13 [sequeena_rae]: It's okay :D